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I am as straight as an arrow and not particularly invested in this debate. Sorry for stating the obvious but 1/ is there any difference between straight and gay men in the number of extra-marital affairs? and 2/ do you have any data backing up your view that rejection of gay marriage would be linked to the extra-marital affairs of gay couples?

I have another explanation: there is a great ideological sorting taking place both on the left and the right leading to the “omnicause” and gay marriage is becoming part of that. I would argue that to avoid this, if it is in fact possible, gays and lesbians need to reject the TQ and all the attendant folklore such as rainbow flags and Pride and become part of a SLGB non-movement. - “S” being “straight” of course.

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Where do you actually hear people citing monogamy as the reason they're reconsidering support for gay marriage? I've seen LOTS of folks commenting along the lines of, "We supported gay marriage because...but then..." Yet what follows is inevitably a discussion of the excesses of QT+ wokism and down-your-throat commercialized Pride, with the most consistent specific objections all having to do with kids.

We made a lot of arguments about wanting normal marriages, but we also swayed a lot of fence-sitters by pointing to the foibles of heterosexuals. It's difficult to argue against gay marriage when divorce and extramarital sex are so prevalent among straights. Normie straights may not approve of non-monogamy, but neither do they want to make hetero non-monogamy illegal (again.) I saw many conservatives over the past 20 years say something like, "I think marriage should be this, but that ship has sailed."

I can't think of ever having seen someone for whom monogamy was the hinge on which their opinion of gay marriage swings. The utterly understandable issue at the moment is how much the QT+ crowd has plowed past heterosexual foibles into sincerely offensive, intolerant and downright creepy territory, especially around kids.

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